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Self-identification in segment 922: And I'm just wondering if there are activities going on in your companies acknowledging what's going to be happening generationally.
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What kinds of things can you imagine that are partway there that could be much better than the three-window iChat that we might see in the next five or ten years?
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We all share a common science fiction experience of you know the metaverse or the matrix where we all could communicate without being in the same place.
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Um, in our financial services industry, we are focusing very strongly on aging and retiring baby boomers, a huge demographic.
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Self-identification in segment 859: I'm wondering what would be the single most valuable piece of advice you'd give us to even attempt to create some of the value that you guys have done in both your very impressive companies.
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Direct address in segment 849 followed by response in segment 857: Uh, and we've gotten to go to work every day with super bright people for 30 years and and do what we love doing.
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I'm wondering what would be the single most valuable piece of advice you'd give us to even attempt to create some of the value that you guys have done in both your very impressive companies.
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Thanks, Stephenville, uh Rob Kelly and here with my business partner.
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We've got a hundred person uh internet media business.
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Uh Bill, even your harshest critic would have to admit that your philanthropy work is you know planet-shaking, incredible, and uh could could be if you make it a a second act so amazing that it would dwarf what you've actually done at Microsoft.
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And Steve, do you look at Bill and you think, gee, that guy is so lucky he had a company so rich with talent that he didn't have to personally, you know, come in every day and and say that you know, I wish I had the opportunity.
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Uh it it was talked about a few times in the discussion, the fact that now uh microprocessors are very low cost, memory low cost, software is is ubiquitous.
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Self-identification in segment 393: And there is a certain school of thought, and I'm sure it's shared by some people in the room, that this is all migrating to the cloud, and you'll need a fairly light piece of hardware uh that won't have to have all that uh investment, all the kind of stuff you guys have done uh throughout your careers.
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Direct address in segment 329 followed by response in segment 338: Uh, we think we're on 140 different kinds of hardware.
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Direct address in segment 622 followed by response in segment 632: Well, the big the big milestone is where the delivery platform is the internet.
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Direct address in segment 625 followed by response in segment 632: That, as you map that onto genres like uh educational shows or sports shows, or watching the Olympics or the elections, uh, that ability to navigate becomes very, very powerful.
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Direct address in segment 906 followed by response in segment 911: And, you know, actually, the funny thing is, Microsoft's one of the few companies we were able to partner with that actually worked for both companies.
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Um you know, when you were uh running the company or when Steve Baumer uh is running the company, uh you think obviously about Google, you think about I don't know, Linux in the in the uh in the enterprise, you think about lots of uh I mean Sony with in in the game uh area.
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Do you ever regret was there something you might have wanted to do differently, and maybe that's all you feel like this happened after you left Apple, uh uh something you might have done differently that were where you could have had a much bigger market share for the Mac.
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Into la maybe you call it direct manipulation of objects with your hands and your fingers will just make its way into mainstream, let's say laptop computers as a new UI or an additional part of the UI, or is that just a to be on the specialized devices?
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Self-identification in segment 84: Well first I want to clarify I'm not fake Steve Jobs.
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Self-identification in segment 186: All of the all of these products I'm saying were DOS-based products.
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Self-identification in segment 224: Uh and no seriously and I'm sorry just saying the way Dil Amelia can see uh and so I was calling him up on the weekend and all this stuff and next thing I knew Steve called me up and said don't worry about that negotiation with Gil Emilio.
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Self-identification in segment 231: Windows ninety five is when graphics interface became mainstream, and when the sopper industry realized, wow, this is the way applications are going to be done.
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Direct address in segment 176 followed by response in segment 181: Well, what's interesting, what what what's hard to remember now is that Microsoft wasn't in the applications business then.
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Direct address in segment 390 followed by response in segment 399: Okay, but so the two of you have uh certainly uh you're you're involved every day with the internet, you have internet products, uh you have a whole slew of stuff on the internet, uh y you have iTunes and dot Mac and and and all of that.
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Direct address in segment 662 followed by response in segment 663: Well, just the personal computer uh Bill.
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Uh and no seriously and I'm sorry just saying the way Dil Amelia can see uh and so I was calling him up on the weekend and all this stuff and next thing I knew Steve called me up and said don't worry about that negotiation with Gil Emilio.
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It's nice when somebody sticks around and uh they have some context of all the things that have worked and not worked and the industry gets all work all crazy about some new thing, you know, like you know, the the there's always this paradigm of the company that's successful is gonna go away and stuff like that.
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And there's a few markets like Xbox 360, Zune, and this year we have two new ones, the surface thing and this round table, which is the meeting room thing, where we'll actually uh through subcontractors, but it's our the PL on the wrist and all that for the hardware, the design is is completely a Microsoft thing.
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Self-identification in segment 177: The ma they took a big bet on the Mac because they this is how they got into the apps business.
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Self-identification in segment 431: What I'm trying to say is it's I think the marriage of some really great client apps with some really great cloud services is incredibly powerful, and right now can be way more powerful than just having a browser on the client.
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Direct address in segment 829 followed by response in segment 836: Well, the most important work I got a chance to be involved in, uh, no matter what I do, is the personal computer.
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Direct address in segment 917 followed by response in segment 918: Um, in our financial services industry, we are focusing very strongly on aging and retiring baby boomers, a huge demographic.
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Direct address in segment 961 followed by response in segment 966: No, I think short of the transporter, most things you see in science fiction uh are in the next decade the kinds of things you'll you'll see.
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And you've got to figure out how to how to size people up fairly quickly, make decisions without knowing people too well, and hire them and you know, see how you do and refine your intuition and be able to to help, you know, build an organization that can eventually just you know build itself.
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And there's a real temptation to focus it on the post PC devices because it's a clean slate, and because uh there are more focused devices, and because they don't have the you know they don't have the legacy of these zillions of apps that have to run in zillions of markets.
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Uh well, before I answer that, let me make a comment on Bill's answer there, which is it's very interesting in the consumer market, um and the enterprise market, they're they're very different spaces.
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What did you learn about running your own business that you wish you had thought of here or thought of first by watching the other guy?
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Liz by your uh question, I guess, is historical curiosity.
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You approach the same opportunity so very differently.
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Uh and ah, the Twiggy disk drive.
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He didn't answer it because he just said he talked about his secret game.
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I mean Jeff Hawkins showed a very light email and all that kind of stuff.
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Self-identification in segment 364: like I should have done this or Apple should have done that and we could have had oh this idea of these hardware software integration and it's working very well maybe there's a lot of things that happened uh that I'm sure I could have done better when I was at Apple the first time and a lot of things that happened after I left that that I thought were wrong turns but it doesn't matter.
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Self-identification in segment 728: I'm not going to call this a barbell walkers I'm going to ask you what tree you'd like to be but um what's you would love to be walkers let me just say no I would not um what's the greatest misunderstanding thank you Steve um about your relationships?
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Direct address in segment 708 followed by response in segment 710: Uh, you know, as but there has been good evolution, but these natural interface things are the revolutionary change, and they'll be very revolutionary.
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like I should have done this or Apple should have done that and we could have had oh this idea of these hardware software integration and it's working very well maybe there's a lot of things that happened uh that I'm sure I could have done better when I was at Apple the first time and a lot of things that happened after I left that that I thought were wrong turns but it doesn't matter.
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I'm not going to call this a barbell walkers I'm going to ask you what tree you'd like to be but um what's you would love to be walkers let me just say no I would not um what's the greatest misunderstanding thank you Steve um about your relationships?
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And we wanted to the first thing I thought was interesting to asking is what you think each has contributed to the computer and technology industry, starting with you Steve for Bill and vice versa.
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Thank you so much.
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Thank you so much.
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Uh-huh.
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